Barty 1:56 Thu Aug 22
The reason why a centre midfielder wasn't signed this summer
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Re: Manuel Pellegrini West Ham United’s 17th manager
Postby hammer1975 on Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:41 pm
Re: Fornals v defensive mid
There was a post on Twitter by Ex when Gomes had turned us down and Lobotka was rumoured alongside Fornals. The tweet is no longer there but it basically said that the defensive mids linked were not seen as good ‘value’ and that they were more expensive than we expected. That tells you all that you need to know I expect. It’s not just under Pellegrini that we’ve been reluctant to spend on that position and someone still controls the chequebook.
https://kumb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=171933&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=4760
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Darby_
2:17 Thu Aug 22
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They seem to be bad value every season, don’t they?
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gph
2:24 Thu Aug 22
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Chillies and meat were a bit expensive, so I made my chilli con carne without them...
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Sir Alf
8:31 Thu Aug 22
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Owners who are not prepared to invest enough.
25 - 30 million net spend was simply not enough
The fact that we have often spent the money poorly has not helped either.
No problem but the owners moved us and made promises of next level and European football.
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On The Ball
9:12 Thu Aug 22
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Well if it's on Twitter it must be true.
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fraser
9:12 Thu Aug 22
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I read something completely different, that we didn't have the money for a top quality DM or LB and we'd wait till next season to get them.
Either way it's not good enough.
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Sven Roeder
9:21 Thu Aug 22
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Most of the players linked in that position were £10m to £15m as I recall.
Has been said before Sullivan seems to think it is 1999 at some times ... when he is asked for money.
What usually happens is we end up with a free transfer or a loan and they end up living up to their price tag.
We quibble over Dendonker who ends up being an effective player for Wolves and end up with Wilshere and Sanchez who havent been, And probably end up costing more overall
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Eddie B
9:58 Thu Aug 22
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Why spaff on that money on another creative midfielder (Fornals) when we obviously needed a CDM or LB more? Makes no sense at all.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
10:20 Thu Aug 22
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Sven Roeder 9:21 Thu Aug 22
'Has been said before Sullivan seems to think it is 1999 at some times ... when he is asked for money'
Except, of course, for the past 4 summers (and 5 of the last 6), in each of which the club has broken its transfer record. .
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Texas Iron
10:26 Thu Aug 22
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Penny Wise...Pound Foolish...
Sullivan's Policy...
Except for Garish Tasteless Furnishings in his residences...
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Russ of the BML
10:27 Thu Aug 22
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This is a typical divisive situation and depends totally on what side of the fence you sit.
The extreme G&S haters will use this as a way of confirming their notion that they are cheapskates. But the more moderate supporters may suggest that they have a responsibility to ensure that we don't get turned over financially as a club. If they don't think a player is worth what is being asked for then surely that has some credence?
The reason I say that is because the same extreme G&S haters will also use the same stick to beat them with if they pay big money for a player who turns out to be 'not that good' and would say "they don't have a clue" and "they are wasting money".
I mean, I am a bit in the middle, they make me sick for the lies they told about getting us out of UP. But I don't think for one second they can be accused of being cheapskates. As Surface said, last 5 of 6 summer windows we have broken our club transfer record.
People can think what they like of them but I just think there is a lot of info banded about on social media and people use it to their agenda. Just sometimes I think people need to take a step back and actually look at the information and take a more assured reaction to it.
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Russ of the BML
10:29 Thu Aug 22
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Sven Roeder 9:21 Thu Aug 22
You mention Dendonker and I note you say "effective". They wanted £22m off us for him 3 windows ago.
Abd let's ne fair you say "effective" as he has hardly lit the world up at Wolves. But, from what i saw of him when he first went their I was thinking "£22m! Blimey, we dodged a bullet".
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Eddie B
10:30 Thu Aug 22
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"they have a responsibility to ensure that we don't get turned over financially as a club" - How about Jack Wilshere, who signed off his three year deal?
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El Scorchio
10:32 Thu Aug 22
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Sullivan probably undervalues the position and will only pay up to a certain amount.
Which is stupid when you consider the effect of players like Kante or Makelele on a team.
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geoffpikey
10:33 Thu Aug 22
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TBF, the board have backed Pellegrini (to a degree).
Pellegrini doesn't seem to believe in a solid midfield. Or just hopes Declan and and an ageing Noble can sort it all. Which is a bit mad.
Pellegrini is attack-minded. Nice theory. But he doesn't have the players. We've bought wrongly AGAIN.
Lanzini, Fornals, Wilshere (if fit) are all talented. But they cannot tackle for toffee.
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fraser
10:34 Thu Aug 22
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Dedonker looks an excellent player, and didn't they only pay £12 million.
Great business by them, but wasn't it Moyes who didn't fancy him?
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ironsofcanada
10:37 Thu Aug 22
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Russ
Dendoncker was a big mistake. He hardly played in the first half of the season but was very important in the second. These things often take time and the DMC is a hardly one to judge about "light the world on fire" in unless you watch a team regularly.
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Russ of the BML
10:49 Thu Aug 22
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ironsofcanada 10:37 Thu Aug 22
Mate, I watch enough football to know that if we had got him for £22m it would have been poor value. End of.
He may well turn out to go on to be a 'great' player but so far not. At the money they paid for him they got a good deal.
I suppose my point is using Dendonker as an example that G&S are cheapskates is arguably one of the worst examples possible.
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fraser
10:55 Thu Aug 22
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I don't think it would have been poor value, you don't get a lot for that money in todays market.
He would improve us.
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ironsofcanada
11:00 Thu Aug 22
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Russ
I don't make a habit of criticising the owners for fun. Or being negative period. But we were dickering over few million and even 22mill for a young international that has settled into the Premier League would be great business.
It was Moyes anyways, I thought.
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Russ of the BML
11:12 Thu Aug 22
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Maybe so. If it was Moyes then even less of a good example. Probably was because all Moyes was interested in was "Do they run around a lot" and "Are they young and British" which seemed to be his general policy around transfers.
But I do believe my point stands. If G&S spend a lot on a player who doesn't work out they are frivolous and don't know anything but if they hold back and don't think a player is good value they are cheapskates.
But of a rock and hard place. But I suppose it just comes with the territory.
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